Samira Ahmed and Katherine Rake bring together activists from two different generations to reflect on the challenges of addressing individual and system wide-change in anti-racism campaigning.

Activist Leila Hassan Howe led a 20,000 strong protest against police racism and state indifference after the 1981 New Cross Fire killed 13 young black partygoers. Her partner Darcus Howe was one of the Mangrove Nine.

Joshua Virasami, author of How to Change, came through the Occupy movement to become a leading organizer with Black Lives Matter UK.

Growing up in a British Bangladeshi household in London in the 1970s, and experiencing the daily violent presence of the National Front in her neighbourhood, inspired Dr Halima Begum into a life of activism. She’s now chairman of the Runnymede Trust, the UK’s leading race equality think tank.

Whitney Iles is still only in her thirties but has spent ten years working inside prisons with young people whose lives have been affected by violence. Today she’s an outspoken campaigner trying to remove racial bias from the criminal justice system.

They compare their different tactics and approach to campaigning and discover what they can learn from each other.

Samira is joined by social change consultant Katherine Rake, former Chief Executive of The Fawcett Society, which campaigns for gender equality and women's rights.

Presenter: Samira Ahmed
Producer: Emily Williams
Programme consultant: Katherine Rake
Editor: David Prest

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