Tonight from BBC South: Autumn Double
They are two of a kind. Both grandmothers in their 80s. Both, unbelievably, still battling it out in the competitive male-dominated worlds of horses and dogs.
Back in the 60s Florence Nagle fought the Jockey Club and won women the right to train. Last year she took on the Kennel Club in a battle to get them to accept women members.
Louie Dingwall has trained race-horses officially or unofficially most of her life - and still intends to win the Derby! She's also a qualified mechanic and was the first woman licensed to drive double-decker buses.
Still vigorous and undefeated in the autumn of their lives, what lessons have they learnt? What do they think about men, animals and the modern world? And what advice have they for us?
(First shown on BBC South)