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Ubah Ali & Jessica de Abreu

05/10/2020 GMT

Speaking up about racial injustice

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Women in Lebanon and the Netherlands talk about their anti-racism campaigns

Two women from Lebanon and the Netherlands talk to Kim Chakanetsa about their campaigns against racism and the emotional toll of speaking out.

Two women talk to Kim Chakanetsa about their anti-racism campaigns in Lebanon and Netherlands and the emotional toll of speaking out. 
 
Jessica de Abreu is an activist and co-founder of The Black Archives in Amsterdam. As part of the Kick Out Zwarte Piet group she protests against the annual tradition in the Netherlands where children and adults alike dress up with black face to celebrate Santa’s helper ‘Black Pete’. In the past protesters have been attacked and ignored by a country that has long seen this as harmless fun. Massive turnouts at recent BLM inspired protests could suggest a turning of the tide.
 
Ubah Ali is from Somaliland and currently studying at the American University of Beirut. She talks about Lebanon's ‘kafala’ system, which excludes the predominantly Black migrant workforce from labour laws. She says she’s regularly mistaken for a domestic worker and fights to challenge preconceptions about Black women.

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L: Ubah Ali (credit - Ubah Ali)
R: Jessica de Abreu (credit - Marcel Wogram)

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