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The Spark: Kiran Gill and Excluded Pupils

Kiran Gill and Excluded Pupils

BBC Radio 4 - The Spark, Kiran Gill and Excluded Pupils

Leading thinkers propose solutions to the structural problems of our age.

Helen Lewis meets the educationalist Kiran Gill, founder of The Difference, to hear how she is setting out to improve the life chances of pupils excluded from mainstream education.

From politics to economics, from tech to the study of how we live, things are changing fast. Old certainties have not been under such challenge for decades. 

Each week, we give the whole programme over to a single in-depth, close-up interview with someone whose big idea is bidding to change our world. 

Helen’s challenge is to make sense of their new idea, to find out more about the person behind it – and to test what it has to offer us against the failures of the past.

In this episode, innovative young educationalist Kiran Gill tells Helen about her radical ideas for improving the life chances of excluded school pupils - from drawing on neuroscientific research on childhood trauma to reconnecting Pupil Referral Units with mainstream schools. Helen asks her to explain how and why she set up her organisation, The Difference, to put her ideas into action - and how it's working out. 

Producer: Phil Tinline

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