Hannah and Lewis have gone through 15 rounds of IVF. Ten were fresh cycles. They've spent around £80,000. Natalie and Amanda meet them to see if their treatment was worth it?

This podcast explores the struggles, emotions, heart ache and indignity of struggling for a family of your own. Natalie Glanvill and Amanda White have both had IVF with different outcomes. Natalie's round was successful, Amanda is childless. They are trying to break the taboo and get more people talking about fertility. In this episode they explore how long to keep going. When is it time to stop fertility treatment and look at other options?

***Contains strong language and adult conversation.*** You can contact Natalie & Amanda fertility@bbc.co.uk or Twitter @sexdrugslullaby. Show less