Anne McElvoy returns with the debate programme which invites two public figures who disagree on an issue of principle to listen closely to each other's arguments - and then to find out what drives them.

In this first edition of the new series, Anne is joined via Zoom by the former Conservative minister Rory Stewart and the former Labour minister Caroline Flint to debate whether politicians should stop worrying about 'hard-working families', and turn their attention more exclusively to the very poor.

And Anne works with conflict resolution specialist Louisa Weinstein to foster a more exploratory conversation, to encourage both speakers to probe the values and experiences that underpin each other's beliefs.

Producer: Phil Tinline Show less