Two intricate albums tonight, both made by perfectionists, but one more loved by critics than the other.

Johnnie and David examine Steely Dan's jazz influenced and intriguing third album Pretzel Logic from 1974 and the 'go-to' studio musicians Toto and their collection of massively radio friendly songs on Toto IV from 1982.

David reveals some interesting facts about Barrytown, the most perfect pause in pop and Toto's collective cv. Show less