Paul Allen talks to Nobel Laureate Seamus Heaney, whose 65th birthday is tomorrow, about his new translation of Sophocles's Antigone, drawing parallels with the Truth and Reconciliation commission and with George Bush and the United Nations, and asking how current societies deal with vengeance. Heaney remembers his boarding school education and about the influence and importance of Robert Frost and TS Eliot on his ideas about poetry.