11.0 Principles of Counselling H: Eight programmes for people seeking to develop and deepen their counselling skills, presented by HAZEL JOHNS 3: Talking About Feelings One of the things a counsellor may have to do in Stage 2 is help a client untangle painful and deep-seated emotions. This needs careful handling if the client isn't to become over-dependent on the counsellor. Script by FRANCESCA INSKIPP and HAZEL JOHNS
11.30 Novels Up to Now
3: Ordeals and Fake Ordeals 'Art is to do with the classification of illusion and the movement towards reality: my characters are very often engaged in a pilgrimage from appearance to reality, which will involve an ordeal of some sort along the way.' ANTHONY CURTIS talks to IRIS MURDOCH about her novels and her views of the function of the novelist in society, and considers the work of Muriel Spark and Margaret Drabble. Extracts read by ELIZABETH PROUD